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What live stakes are you playing?
5BB/100 is not a crusher at 50NL, solid win rate, but
definitely not a crusher. 🍌 At higher online stakes sure, but 50NL you can definitely
beat for higher win rates, the thing is most people 🍌 who can, move up.
The conventional
wisdom I've always heard from pros and coaches is in most public games up to 🍌 5/10
sometimes higher a win rate of 10BB/hr is pretty achievable for a strong player. Which
is like 30BB/100.
The confusion 🍌 I'm having about your confusion is you claiming to not
see many fish, because that's the answer. Your average room's 🍌 2/5 players are
exponentially worse than basically any sites 50NL population. Compared to your 50NL
experience, you're not seeing wayyyyyy 🍌 fewer 3-bets, check raises, bluffs, etc? A very
significant portion of the LLS population is playing very simple strategies with 🍌 little
to no basis in good theory. It changes a little bit at 5/10 and higher, but also
remember the 🍌 best live cash players are invited and creating good games where these
astronomical win rates are still possible at much 🍌 higher stakes. Plenty people in the
world makingR$250K+ a year and have no problem losingR$10K-$25K playing a few times a
🍌 year.
The reasons players are way worse in live games:
- Online is much faster, the
losing players lose faster and then 🍌 eventually quit faster.
- Live is slow enough they
can ignore the results. Most people are pretty bad at budgetting. You 🍌 go to a live 1/2
table and the vast majority will claim "I'm a break even to small winner." In 🍌 reality
90% of them aren't winning at all. But especially if you play once a week or less, it's
easy 🍌 to not notice how much you're actually losing.
- People who are prone to the
"online is rigged" thing tend to 🍌 be worse players and prefer to play live.
- People who
play online are more likely to be motivated by actually 🍌 winning long term whereas live
players have a wider range of draws to the game -- they like socializing at 🍌 the table,
they feel like live poker is cool whereas online poker is for nerds, they stumbled in
drunk from 🍌 the pits or the club, they're on vacation or a work trip, etc.
-
Recreational players want to play for money 🍌 that at some level feels significant when
they win, and for most it seems like 1/2 2/5 does the trick 🍌 for that. But online if
you're a dedicated grinder you can make serious money at those stakes, so the recs 🍌 do
not stand a chance. They would have to play 10NL probably to even be sort of
competitive and to 🍌 them that feels like play money.
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